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		<title>101: Episode 101 – Jeff Iorg on Leading During a Pandemic &#038; Shadow Christians</title>
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<p>This week on the podcast, we have another fantastic conversation with Dr. Jeff Iorg. You may remember him from episode <a href="https://churchleadershippodcast.com/podcast/episode-19-jeff-iorg/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://churchleadershippodcast.com/podcast/episode-19-jeff-iorg/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1613521461060000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHwtk0OSdLdfY2tbNJkzvGJthGnkg">19</a>, when we talked about leading through major change. Dr. Iorg serves as President of Gateway Seminary in California, and is also an author of several books including “Leading Major Change in Your Ministry,” and his newest book “Shadow Christians: Making an Impact When No One Knows Your Name.” You will love hearing from Dr. Iorg in this episode, as he discusses leading a seminary during the pandemic, positive changes that have helped our churches in America, and the blessing of unknown Christians who have made a huge impact.</p>
<p>You can find more out about Gateway Seminary <a href="https://www.gs.edu/presidents-blog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gs.edu/presidents-blog/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1613521461060000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFBniD982eDLviQglrU9UGWsJ2dIQ">here.</a></p>
<p>You can check out Dr. Iorg’s blog <a href="https://www.gs.edu/presidents-blog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gs.edu/presidents-blog/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1613521461060000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFBniD982eDLviQglrU9UGWsJ2dIQ">here.</a></p>
<p>If you are encouraged by our podcast, we would love for you to subscribe, share, and rate The Church Leadership Podcast on your favorite podcast listening platform or on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvkVQZ9PHGVkcZbfu6V27Tw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvkVQZ9PHGVkcZbfu6V27Tw&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1613521461060000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGK8cZE23Bp9AzPQuyF3XonRmz0jw">YouTube</a>.</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #000000">Snippets from Our Conversation with Jeff</span></h3>
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<p>“We feel like we’ve been starting all over again about every six to eight weeks for a year now, and frankly, that wears you down.”</p>
<p>“I have employees saying to me, ‘When can we come back to the office?’… Remote working is challenging.”</p>
<p>“The pandemic has revealed that we are, as an American Church, far too committed to an attraction model of evangelism.”</p>
<p>“Every organization collects what I call ‘barnacles.’”</p>
<p>“The pandemic has really shown the importance of stewardship development.”</p>
<p>“And he told me, ‘We are never going back to a face-to-face prayer meeting.’”</p>
<p>“I started studying characters in the New Testament who made a consequential impact, whose names are not in the stories. And really, there’s a lot of them.”</p>
<p>“Recognize, if you are one of those people, you are making a difference. You really are!”</p>
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		<title>100: Episode 100 – Celebrating 100</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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<div>It’s Episode <img decoding="async" class="CToWUd" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/e/1f4af" alt="&#x1f4af;" data-goomoji="1f4af" data-image-whitelisted="" /> of the Church Leadership Podcast! Thanks to all who have listened and watched each week, as we provide conversations to help encourage and equip leaders in the local church. We wouldn’t be here without you! Since this is our 100th episode, we want you to have fun and celebrate with us, and our theme will be the number 100. We get to spend a few minutes sharing about how the podcast has been such a blessing to both of our hosts. Then, we have some fun with questions and topics, along with a lightning round, and each of these rounds of questions are 100 seconds long. We also have something special to share with our listeners and viewers of the podcast.</div>
<h4>Make sure you pay attention for a special announcement and check out our <a href="https://www.instagram.com/churchleadershippodcast/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.instagram.com/churchleadershippodcast/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612924133681000&amp;usg=AFQjCNF2DEFg1Nr-dZ2_28lunrDCXMzstg">Instagram</a> and  <a href="https://www.facebook.com/churchleadershippodcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/churchleadershippodcast&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612924133682000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFe6jyM3AM3R8lxLUdtafeRPnDeaQ">Facebook</a> pages for more information.</h4>
<div>For those who have listened and/or watched all 100 of our episodes, we would love to hear about it! We have something special to give to those of you who are in the 100 club of the CLP.If you have enjoyed the first 100 episodes, and you want others to be encouraged and equipped, we would love for you to like, share, subscribe, review, and <a href="https://ratethispodcast.com/clp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ratethispodcast.com/clp&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612924133682000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFG0wIjUKJZz6tL_JcYvkxqpE3poQ">rate</a> our podcast on your favorite listening platforms and on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvkVQZ9PHGVkcZbfu6V27Tw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvkVQZ9PHGVkcZbfu6V27Tw&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612924133682000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFfmnPyJ67prpcvmTJubW8WZ6uPLQ">YouTube</a>.</p>
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<h3>Here are some snippets from Episode 100 with Mark and Andy…</h3>
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<p>“We are doing this for you. And we have a passion for church leaders, but we are benefitting a whole lot.”</p>
<p>“You would know, if you got to work together the amount of time we have gotten to work together if you are compatible or not. And we are.”</p>
<p>“God’s really just burdened my heart to see the importance of that ministry of presence in our peoples’ lives.”</p>
<p>“I’m passionate about how do we engage people online.”</p>
<p>“He (God) is teaching me more and more to let go, rely on Him, but also to release others to ministry.”</p>
<p>“I once rode an elephant, in a circus.”</p>
<p>“I invented the white out pen.”</p>
<p>“I’ve got a question for you, over or under?”</p>
<p>“What is your favorite hair product? Mop and glow.”</p>
<p>“It is for you and because of you that we are doing this.”</p>
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		<title>99: Episode 99 – Dean Inserra on Addressing Cultural Issues in a Cancel Culture &#038; Keeping the Gospel Central</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2021 11:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<div>We have a great episode in store for you this week, as we get the chance to have another conversation with Dean Inserra. We discuss the cultural divide that all of us are dealing with right now, especially in the local church. Dean talks with us about opinions on politics, commitment to the local church, and other issues that can become divisive and distract our churches from our mission. You may remember Dean from <a href="https://churchleadershippodcast.com/podcast/episode-88-dean-inserra-on-cultural-christianity/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://churchleadershippodcast.com/podcast/episode-88-dean-inserra-on-cultural-christianity/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612323911597000&amp;usg=AFQjCNErNI-IUVflYAIQroXJikJl0fBOBg">Episode 88</a>, as we talked about cultural Christianity. Dean serves as the Lead Pastor of <a href="http://www.citychurchtallahassee.com/dean-inserra" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.citychurchtallahassee.com/dean-inserra&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612323911597000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHeOlaR1SxWBoSuDWzKmvZF3ZnTJA">City Church Tallahassee</a>, and he is also the author of  <a href="https://amzn.to/3muSU5n" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://amzn.to/3muSU5n&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612323911597000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHv94lDc-yLMd6EQ0o-2wn0vtCvCQ">The Unsaved Christian</a> and <a href="https://amzn.to/3jDF6DS" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://amzn.to/3jDF6DS&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612323911597000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEqendj40LZ7b-UA-jCvcokoye05A">Without a Doubt: How to Know for Certain That You’re Good with God</a>, and be on the lookout for his new book “Getting Over Yourself,” coming out in May.</div>
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<div>Please help us spread the word about our podcast, as we gear up for Episode 100! Please like, share, subscribe, and review our podcast on your favorite podcast listening platform, and look for us on YouTube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvkVQZ9PHGVkcZbfu6V27Tw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvkVQZ9PHGVkcZbfu6V27Tw&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1612323911597000&amp;usg=AFQjCNENGrPDn5jOA9K9x3SFDlVYk7gqMA">The Church Leadership Podcast</a>.</div>
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<h3>Snippets from our conversation with Dean…</h3>
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<div>“Maybe we’ve been on cruise control for too long, or we weren’t challenging the real idols of society.”</div>
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<div>“So, what are people divided over right now? They’re not divided over the Scriptures, that’s not what people are fighting over in our churches right now. You know, they are not fighting over the mission. They’re not fighting over church planting. They’re fighting over politics… They’re making things ultimate that aren’t.”</div>
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<div>“We think that unity has an object, and His name is Jesus.”</div>
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<div>“How many people right now, when they think ‘Christianity,’ they think ‘Trump supporter’?”</div>
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<div>“We need to be ok with being open-handed where the bible is open-handed, and be able to teach people where the bible is closed-fisted and explain why.”</div>
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<div>“It’s never ok to break the First, most important, Commandment in the name of the Second.”</div>
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<div>“I want to get in Doc Brown and Mary McFly’s time machine, and I want to go back to the time to whoever was the first person that said, ‘You don’t go to church, we are the Church.,’ and take out their knees.”</div>
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<div>“I tweet every Saturday, ‘Sunday morning church is a Saturday night decision.’”</div>
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		<title>98: Episode 98 – Joël Malm on How to Lead People When You’re Angry</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2021 06:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>97: Episode 97 – Kevin Boyer on Leading Worship in a Pandemic &#038; Using it to Make Disciples</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>96: Episode 96 – Andy &#038; Mark on New Year Commitments</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>95: Episode 95 – Andy &#038; Mark with a Special Christmas Episode</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>94: Episode 94 – Wayne Cordova on Ministering to Families with Special Needs Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2020 07:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">We cannot wait for you to listen to this week’s episode of the podcast. It is both powerful and practical! Mark and Andy get the privilege of talking with Wayne Cordova. Wayne lives in Spring Hill, Florida, where he serves as the CEO of</span> <a href="https://abilitytree.org/Florida/?fbclid=IwAR2OinA9Yk_LwB6gmEiDcYo26khH06BYyKgVZTqxJRQel6fHMIzIfbVnC3M" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://abilitytree.org/Florida/?fbclid%3DIwAR2OinA9Yk_LwB6gmEiDcYo26khH06BYyKgVZTqxJRQel6fHMIzIfbVnC3M&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1607482671693000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFWm031QJO8Zs66NsHZOdREHJPjhA">Ability Tree Florida</a><span style="color: #000000">. He is the former Executive and Teaching Pastor of Crosspoint Church and has over two decades of ministry experience serving in the local church. As you hear of Wayne’s personal story of student ministry, church planting, and his family’s journey in dealing with special needs and disabilities, you will be both challenged and encouraged. We hope that this episode will encourage, equip, and help you see the world in a whole new way when it comes to serving families with special needs. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">If you want to know more about Ability Tree, or how you and your church can better minister to special needs families, you can contact Wayne here:</span> <a href="mailto:waynecordova@abilitytree.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">waynecordova@abilitytree.org</a><span style="color: #000000">. You can follow Wayne on Instagram @WayneJCordova. You can also follow Ability Tree Florida on Instagram @abilitytreeflorida.</span></div>
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<h3><span style="color: #000000">Quotes from our conversation with Wayne…</span></h3>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">“A few years into being this church planter, we finally decide to start a family… and they say, ‘We don’t know what, but we think Emmalee is going to have some kind of special needs.’”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“One of the things we have learned over the years with Emmalee, is that she has become our hero in a lot of the stories that we tell.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“I’m a pastor at a church, and my wife is heavily involved in our worship ministry and our kids ministry, but now all of a sudden, we find ourselves with a child with special needs… We were like, ‘God, we don’t know what we are supposed to be doing now.’”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“I wear glasses, but God changed my prescription the day Emmalee was born, because I see the world in a completely different way now.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“I would never have been in this mindset if I wasn’t the parent of a child with special needs, but I’m so glad that I am. Not just for the sake of my own child, but for the sake of the face that now we have families that can all experience the same thing: the welcomeness and openness of a church that’s truly inclusive.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“What I ended up facing as a parent of a child with special needs was a lot of loneliness and isolation.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“He said, we run a ministry called Ability Tree, and we are a ministry that comes alongside families impacted by disability to provide R.E.S.T. – Recreation, Education, Support, and Training.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“It’s this inclusive ministry where families can come and receive respite. They can also come and receive inclusive activities that everybody can participate in.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“So, this wasn’t just about ‘Is there a room that kids with special needs can go to?’ but, ‘How can you be more inclusive in the rest of your services at church to make sure that you’re inviting everybody?’”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“You know, I think one of the biggest mistakes that we make is taking a look at our current congregation and what it looks like, and basing whether or not we need to have a ministry for families with children with special needs as a priority.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“This is the most untapped people group in our country.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“Just take a look at your special needs community that’s just around you, and before you worry about being prepared for them to come in, maybe step out and say, ‘What can we do to help and serve?’”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“There’s probably a lot of people that are experiencing what they are experiencing, but you aren’t paying attention to it.”</p>
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		<title>93: Episode 93 – Kevin Bowman on Burnout, Leading from the Second Chair, and Disciple-Making Relationships That Heal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2020 08:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">This week on the podcast, Mark and Andy are joined by their great friend, Kevin Bowman. Kevin serves as Associate Pastor of</span> <a href="https://gracesumiton.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://gracesumiton.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606877515662000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFgQrbLBcH9n2L3LG-0kURN3UWSFg"><b>Grace Baptist Church </b></a> <span style="color: #000000">with Andy in Sumiton, AL. As you listen to Kevin, you will enjoy his story of coming to faith in Jesus, pastoring in the local church, learning to making disciples, adjusting to second chair leadership, and his love for the outdoors. It’s always fun and encouraging when Kevin is around, and we know you will feel the same as you hear from our “Key Grip No. 1.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">If you want to laugh with Kevin (and at Kevin), you can check out the “famous” video</span> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jaime.bowman/videos/10209265020534231" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/jaime.bowman/videos/10209265020534231&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606877515662000&amp;usg=AFQjCNETXKmURhB5_HbSvhgKdwHmewzPvw"><b>here</b></a>.</div>
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<h3><span style="color: #000000">Quotes from our conversation with Kevin:</span></h3>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">“I remember going to church and feeling like that was for somebody else.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“We are not going to get out of church. We’re going to use this, and God is going to show us some things.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“He called me back to his office and just started talking about discipleship, and my antenna went off on that… and it was almost immediately when that conversation happened, God kind of put a highlighter on that and said, ‘This is what you need to pay attention to.’”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“I explain it like this, it’s almost made ministry new.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“That’s been huge to me, just the whole knowing that I’m not by myself, but I don’t have to be by myself.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“You don’t have to have all of the answers… because, sometimes when you are in that role of lead pastor, sometimes you feel like you have to have an answer to all of the questions… You are not helping anybody by pretending that you do.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“I would rather go with somebody that has never been in the woods, or hadn’t been in the woods a lot, and allow them to enjoy it and maybe teach them something along the way; but also, introduce them to the gospel, the goodness of God, and also discipleship.”</p>
<p></span><span style="color: #000000">“Well, to be fair, when people see it, they usually say, ‘The bad thing about it is, I watched it over and over and over.’ And I have to say, ‘I’m guilty of doing the same thing.’ And I always end up with, ‘How did I survive that?’”</p>
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		<title>92: Episode 92 – Matt Burford on Apologetics &#038; Evangelism in 2020</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 09:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Happy Thanksgiving to our CLP listening family! On this week’s episode of the podcast, Mark and Andy are joined by...]]></description>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">Happy Thanksgiving to our CLP listening family! On this week’s episode of the podcast, Mark and Andy are joined by Matt Burford. Matt serves as the Apologetics and Evangelism Specialist with </span><a href="https://alsbom.org/staff/matt-burford/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://alsbom.org/staff/matt-burford/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606262976464000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2R36tAAy3jOq7nnv4UPBYk">Alabama Baptist State Board of Missions</a><span style="color: #000000">, he is a founding member of </span><a href="https://www.tacticalfaith.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tacticalfaith.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606262976464000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2rso-CP7kbTiO0Gc0BZBcA">Tactical Faith</a><span style="color: #000000">, along with also being an Adjunct Professor at </span><a href="https://bts.education/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://bts.education&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606262976464000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2jzeDJZU6wdhER-eRBh8w5">Birmingham Theological Seminary</a><span style="color: #000000">. Our conversation with Matt is focused on his passion for apologetics and evangelism. As you listen, you will find out about the need for Christians to have a biblically informed worldview and why followers of Christ should have an effective way in which they share the gospel in today’s changing culture. Click, listen, review, be encouraged, and share this week’s episode!</p>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">In this episode, Matt mentioned a few resources that we would like to list for you.</p>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">Contact Matt at</span> <a href="mailto:mburford@alsbom.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mburford@alsbom.org</a></div>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">Stand to Reason –</span> <a href="https://www.str.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.str.org&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606262976464000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0owIak7VtMQ94HvD1nhER7">https://www.str.org</a></div>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">Lee Strobel –</span> <a href="https://leestrobel.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://leestrobel.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606262976464000&amp;usg=AOvVaw32V_9anPdgrz63fliZw5ji">https://leestrobel.com</a></div>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">“Reasons for God” by Timothy Keller – <a href="https://amzn.to/35UOxem">https://amzn.to/35UOxem</a></span></div>
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<div><span style="color: #000000">Josh McDowell –</span> <a href="https://www.josh.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.josh.org&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1606262976464000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0rjQOdYoW82hL_PwoFEJMo">https://www.josh.org</a></div>
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<h3><span style="color: #000000">Quotes from our conversation with Matt…</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #000000">“Something happened that day, when I was reading someone who was talking and thinking like that. I don’t know what it was, but it started me on a journey…”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">“…There is a way to talk about our faith that is incredibly persuasive, a way to reflect our faith that’s incredibly impactful, and apologetics is just part of that.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">“Twenty years ago, I would get, ‘What are you apologizing for?’ So, I would have to back up, and I would have to define apologetics.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">“Be encouraged that our worldview speaks extensively and comprehensively.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">“It’s ok to say you don’t know it all. In fact, I would think that’s a good starting point.”</span></p>
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